Monday, May 12, 2008
What Is That Guy Thinking?
When the Attending Is the Person Who Needs the Intervention.
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By Elizabeth Chaitin, MSW, MA, DHCE
Originally posted at the Institute to Enhance Palliative Care, University of Pittsburgh Medical Center
Vol 8, No. 1 - February 2008
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Mr. James Martin is 74-year-old man admitted to an outside hospital with a two-month history of shortness of breath, edema, and recent difficulty ambulating. He has a history of an aortic aneurysm, hypertension, cellulitis of his lower extremities, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease from years of heavy smoking, as well as ischemic cardiomyopathy and congestive heart failure. Mr. Martin had worsening renal functioning upon admission and was found to have two masses, one on each adrenal gland. He was scheduled for surgery and an ethics consult was called because the patient “didn’t seem mentally right.” The ethics consultant interviewed the patient and family and discovered that Mr. Martin was “mentally slow” and was illiterate. He never attended school and was raised and cared for by family until his adult years when he rented a small apartment near his sister Debbie with whom he is quite close. The consultant recommended that his sister sign for consent for the surgery for she felt Mr. Martin was neither able to comprehend the severe nature of his current condition nor could he comprehend the risks undertaken with the recommended surgery. The sister consented to bilateral adrenalectomies.
In this case there were two different stories or viewpoints present, which could have been conflictual in nature depending on the approach taken by the Palliative Care and Ethics Team. In Story One, the attending believed strongly that it was possible the patient could “get well” with more time and encouraged the family to consider the placement of a feeding tube. In Story Two, the Palliative Care and Ethics Team was certain that the patient was dying and believed that the placement of a feeding tube would not add to the longevity or quality of the patient’s life.
1. Douglas Stone, Bruce Patton and Sheila Heen. “Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most.” Penguin Books, 1999.
2. Roger Fisher, William Ury and Bruce Patton. Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In.” Penguin Books, 1991. (Wikipedia Link)
2. Roger Fisher, William Ury and Bruce Patton. Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In.” Penguin Books, 1991. (Wikipedia Link)
(Edit: (6/16) Added missing fragment "...consultant believed that the patient was dying and spoke with...)
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5 Responses to “What Is That Guy Thinking?
When the Attending Is the Person Who Needs the Intervention.”
June 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM
I'm interested in this case as this is a common scenario is my practice as a hospitalist. I'm not sure, though, that I fully understand what the pall care/ethics team did. The consultants communicated that they believed the primary attending's motives were beneficient. However, they "left out" that they thought his/her judgement was incorrect. Surely something more nuanced must have been communicated to change the plan of care. Someone must have communicated the FACT that the pt's prognosis was so poor that a feeding tube wouldn't prolong life. What then was communicated?
June 17, 2008 at 10:31 AM
I think a lot of what the palliative care team is about the style of communication, and this case does not necessarily expound on the how's or the particular words that were used.
I think this approach of acknowledging different viewpoints on a patient's prognosis is helpful to a degree, but when different doctors have greatly different views on prognosis it can be very important to have a frank discussion of why the two estimates of survival are so different.
I think the teaching point Ms. Chaitin is trying to clarify is that direct confrontation may not be the best approach in all situations. I agree some more information about what was said would be helpful.
The statement:
"The approach the Palliative Care and Ethics Team chose was
to focus their discussion on acknowledging the attending’s
viewpoint and clearly communicating their understanding of
his dedication to his patient, rather than choosing to register
their disagreement with his viewpoint."
may encompass a whole lot of conversations over time that this format did not allow for more detail.
I will try to contact the original author for more details.
June 17, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Please note an edit was made:
(Edit: (6/16) Added missing fragment "...consultant believed that the patient was dying and spoke with...)
March 13, 2011 at 4:30 AM
Please note an edit was made:
(Edit: (6/16) Added missing fragment "...consultant believed that the patient was dying and spoke with...)
March 13, 2011 at 4:30 AM
I'm interested in this case as this is a common scenario is my practice as a hospitalist. I'm not sure, though, that I fully understand what the pall care/ethics team did. The consultants communicated that they believed the primary attending's motives were beneficient. However, they "left out" that they thought his/her judgement was incorrect. Surely something more nuanced must have been communicated to change the plan of care. Someone must have communicated the FACT that the pt's prognosis was so poor that a feeding tube wouldn't prolong life. What then was communicated?
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